____________________________________________________ THE GOSPEL OBSERVER ____________________________________________________ "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations...teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age" (Matthew 28:19,20). ____________________________________________________ December 22, 2002 ____________________________________________________ Contents: 1) "Answering a Question on Apostasy" (Jarrod Jacobs) 2) What Is Morality? (Jere E. Frost) 3) News & Notes ____________________________________________________ -1- "Answering a Question on Apostasy" by Jarrod Jacobs This author received a letter from a woman asking about the impossibility of apostasy. She believes that once a person has been saved, he/she can never be lost in Hell regardless of what he/she may or may not do. She wrote me and asked my position on this. The portion of her letter, and my answer pertaining to the possibility of apostasy, are below for your study. Please study these verses for yourself that you might know the will of God better (Acts 17:11; II Tim. 2:15). Her letter to me: "...Resting the doctrine of eternal security on one scripture passage tears my heart open. II Peter 2:20-21. To think that someone is considered a christian [sic] because he has the knowledge of Christ or having known the way of righteousness is ludicrous. If Peter meant saved bretheren [sic] why didn't he state so clearly? I have witnessed to countless people throughout my 19 years as born again christian [sic]. Many have received Christ but there have been many that have rejected the truth, they now have the knowledge of Christ and they absolutley [sic] know the way of righteousness, but they are lost and without hope. Trying to win these people only becomes harder and harder as their heart turns further from what they know. I'm am [sic] 100 percent certain that this is what Peter (actually God) is saying to us. What scares me is the fact that if you believe you can lose your salvation, what kind of partial salvation do you have. 'Not everyone who says "Lord Lord"...' if you catch my drift. You know what Ephesians 2:8-9 says. Will you not be boasting to God that you were able to keep yourself from sinning whatever sin it was that was going to take your salvation away??? food for thought. By the way John 10:27-30 clearly states it is Gods [sic] job to keep you saved not yours. Read the Lords [sic] prayer in the Garden. (its [sic] not your job). With Love," My response: Hello ______, Concerning your letter, you said, .... "Resting the doctrine of eternal security on one scripture passage tears my heart open. II Peter 2:20-21." ....how many times does God have to say something before it is true? If we can find one passage in the New Testament that teaches that a Christian can sin and fall from grace, then the rest of the New Testament must harmonize. There is no contradiction in the Bible. Further you state, "If Peter meant saved bretheren [sic] why didn't he state so clearly?" With all due respect, how much clearer did Peter have to be than to speak of those who "have escaped the pollutions of this world"? This is not speaking of someone who merely heard the truth and then rejected it outright. This is speaking of one who is a Christian. Notice that Peter says, "they are again entangled" (v. 20). One could not become "again entangled" if they had never been untangled, could they? Therefore, the ones under consideration were those who had become Christians, untangled from this world, but then have become "again entangled AND OVERCOME." These people, at one point, knew the "way of righteousness" but they "turned from the holy commandment." This is not speaking of one who was never a Christian, for one who has never been a Christian hasn't turned TO the holy commandment, yet. Again, you say, "What scares me is the fact that if you believe you can lose your salvation, what kind of partial salvation do you have. 'Not everyone who says "Lord Lord"...' if you catch my drift." Yes, I catch your drift. Now, if someone starts off right, doing the Lord's will (Matt. 7:21), but stops and starts following his own way instead of the "way of righteousness" (II Peter. 2:20), what then? Will he be saved, anyway? If someone turns their back on the Lord, after having been a "born again Christian" for some time, what then? Will God have to just shrug His shoulders and accept that person, anyway? Concerning partial salvation, I have no knowledge of that. The Bible talks of salvation (Titus 2), and that is what I have. "You know what Ephesians 2:8-9 says. Will you not be boasting to God that you were able to keep yourself from sinning whatever sin it was that was going to take your salvation away???" No, I will not boast. I have no room for boasting, for "when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which is our duty to do" (Lk. 17:10). When we do exactly and only what God says, we have no room for boasting in any form. I can avoid sin through the help of Almighty God (I Cor. 10:13), and not by my own power. "By the way John 10:27-30 clearly states it is Gods [sic] job to keep you saved not yours." I have read John 10:27-30 just as you suggested, but found no statement akin to what you said. The words "hear," and "follow" are verbs of action (v. 27). Christ is saying that one who continues to "hear my voice" and continues to "follow me" are those who have eternal life. Now, what if one stops hearing Christ? What if one stops following His word? Are they saved, anyway? If one is lost in Hell, is it God's fault? Remember: II Peter 3:9. "food for thought." Let me give you some food for thought concerning whether or not a Christian can so sin as to be lost in Hell. Besides II Peter 2:20-21, which we have discussed, consider and study the following: 1) Paul wrote to the Galatian CHRISTIANS and said: "Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace" (Gal. 5:4). 2) Jesus said: "If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (Jn. 8:31-32). What if one does not continue in His word? What of those DISCIPLES in John 6:66? 3) Paul said: "But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway" (I Cor. 9:27). 4) Paul wrote to the Galatian CHRISTIANS and said: "Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted" (Gal. 6:1). Why would he be worried about this if it is impossible for a Christian to so sin as to be lost? Why is he concerned if, as you said, it is God's job to keep you saved? 5) Paul told Timothy: "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils" (I Tim. 4:1). Now, when one departs from the faith, will he go to Heaven or Hell? Remember, you cannot depart from a place you are not. (They could not "depart from the faith" unless they are a part of "the faith," i.e., Christians.) 6) Paul told Timothy that some: "Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.... For some are already turned aside after Satan" (I Tim. 5:12, 15). Doesn't this explain it very clearly? Some had cast off their first faith (i.e., Christians) and faced damnation. Need we consider any more? Isn't this the exact thing that Peter was saying in II Peter 2:20-21? Of course, it is. 7) The Holy Spirit says: "Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God" (Heb. 3:12). Again, one cannot depart from God unless he/she had been in a close relationship with Him (i.e., Christians). This is a warning of what could happen if they were not careful. I hope that these passages will help you in your study. Please feel free to write back, and in your next letter, ... tell me what you did to become a "born again Christian" as you so state. Have a good day. Sincerely, Jarrod Jacobs Addendum: The woman wrote me back one more time. In her letter, she never discussed a single Scripture I presented. In fact, she made the point of saying she would not use any Scripture. Her attitude was that we ought to just "agree to disagree." Sadly, I have not heard from her since. There are many out there searching for the truth. Some are like this woman, wishing to have her opinions justified by others. Jesus met the same types of people while He was on the earth (Jn. 2:24-25, 6:64). Yet, this did not stop Him from teaching and preaching the word to whomever would listen (Lk. 19:10; I Tim. 1:15). There are still many others honestly searching for the truth. Jesus taught the parable of the sower (Matt. 13) for this reason. Yes, there are those who are searching for people to justify their beliefs; but there are many more searching for the truth. With this in mind, let us open our Bibles, and learn the truth and obey it while we have today. ___________________________________________ -2- What Is Morality? by Jere E. Frost THE DEFINITIONS OF MORAL and morality are quite clear. By definition moral (adjective) means "of or relating to principles of right and wrong in behavior." Morality means "a doctrine or system of moral conduct" and "conformity to ideals of right human conduct." God's word makes a clear distinction between right and wrong. "The works of the flesh are manifest, which are these" is its lead-in to a listing of some seventeen specific sins (Gal. 5:19-21). "The fruit of the Spirit is" similarly leads into a listing of specific virtues (Gal. 5:22-23). The Scriptures "completely furnish" us (2 Tim. 3:16-17). We have "all things that pertain to life and godliness" (2 Pet. 1:3). But Humanists and Libertarians openly and aggressively reject Scripture and anything resembling true morality. Their "talking point" spin is that "you cannot legislate morality." Libertarians, by the very definition of the word libertarian, advocate "absolute and unrestricted liberty of thought and action." But not even the wildest Humanist or Libertarian believes such. That would be anarchy and utter lawlessness. No, they do not believe it! They contradict it all the time. "You cannot legislate morality" is absolutely empty rhetoric. It is used only when they want to strike down laws reflecting our traditional moral code based on Scripture. Racial discrimination is a "moral" matter. Even Humanists and Libertarians are against it. They legislate against it! It is "against the law." I am glad we agree. But I thereby know they do not really believe that you cannot legislate about morality, because they do. They do it all the time except when it is a matter on which they do not want to be restrained. Sex is such a matter. They do not want to be restrained on sex. Nor do they want to suffer its consequences. But that is reckless. The negative ramifications from sexual promiscuity are horrendous. Homes are destroyed. Diseases are contracted and spread. Death can and sometimes does follow. Unwanted pregnancies result in fatherless children on the one hand, and abortions on the other. Likewise, unnatural vice wreaks its woe on society. But they are adamant about there being no laws against their preferred sexual behavior. It has resulted in a law permitting abortions and prohibiting any discriminating against homosexuals. In so doing they have again "legislated morality," except that it is their morality -- and that's the whole point. They do. Everybody does. So when we are told you "cannot legislate morality," we know better. The argument is false. It is more. It is sheer hypocrisy. ___________________________________________ -3- News & Notes We want to continue praying for Linda Poole whose ankle had been broken in five places several weeks ago (as mentioned earlier). She has now been having what seems to be a vascular or circulatory problem in that foot. We are glad to have Billy and Sheila Watts back with us after their recent visit to New York City. It's hard to believe that next Sunday will be the last Sunday of 2002. With the new year soon coming, may it be our desire to walk even closer with God, increasing in our love for Him and for others around us, and striving to be at every service -- for the good of our souls and for those around us! Let us also thank God for this past year He has blessed us with -- and for the new one to come (if it be the Lord's will)! ________________________________________ MYRTLE STREET CHURCH OF CHRIST 1022 Myrtle Street Denham Springs, LA 70726 (225) 664-8208 Sunday: 9:15 AM, 10:00 AM, 4:00 PM Wednesday: 7:00 PM evangelist/editor: Tom Edwards (225) 667-4520 e-mail: tedwards@onemain.com web site: http://home.onemain.com/~tedwards/go ________________________________________